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#42
Man skulle jo spille mobbeoffer da, men jeg regner nok med at potensielle mobbere og mobbeofre vil kunne plukke opp en del "tips" fra spillet. :p
 
#43
Akkurat som med Manhunt så prøver idiotene å stoppe spillet før det blir sluppet. Helvetes amerikanske kristenkonservative hyklere med penger.
 
#44
Nei, tror ikke det.
Når regler brytes, så må det til for å stoppe det.
Er veldig enig der. Syns barn ikke skal lære seg åssen man skal mobbe andre. Det kan vise seg selvmord til slutt!
 
#45
Jeg håper du var sarkastisk der.

Hva med å forby alle bilspill, kan jo ikke lære barn å kjøre for fort!
Tror vi må bannlyse alle spill med våpen, for barn lærer å drepe!
etc. etc.

Folk har mobbet hverandre siden tidenes morgen uten hjelp av spill.
 
#46
Dette hjelper nok ikke på Bondeviks "det skal bli slutt på all mobbing innen to år" kampanje.

Mange år siden var dette igjen?
 
#47
Nå er det litt forskjell på bilspill og det å faktisk KJØRE bil.. :p For de av oss som faktisk har kortet, så finner man fort ut at man ikke akkurat blir flinkere av å sitte i stua å kjøre bil, man lærer det bedre med å ta seg en tur ut med bilen og virkelig kjenne G-kreftene. Samme med å skyte, kjøp heller en rifle for å bli flink til å skyte, man lærer det ihvertfall ikke i spill (sett mange som har spillt masse spill men nesten skutt av seg foten istedet for å treffe blinken). Teknikken må finslipes. Men mobbing? Har ikke så mye erfaring der gitt, kan jo hende de plukker opp noen tips her og der for å gjøre livet enda surere for mobbeoffrene sine. Men noen mobber og noen blir mobbet uansett, that`s life (tror jeg).

Ratingen på spill er noe dritt, mindreårige laster ned spillene de ikke får kjøpt allikevel. Aldri helt skjønt vitsen med det. Samme som med film, who cares? Går utover de små med mareritt om kvelden uansett. :D Kan ikke politikere gjøre det de kan istedenfor å blande seg inn på ting de rett og slett ikke har peiling på!? Men.. hmmm, hva var det igjen..?
 
#48
Jeg tør påstå at min erfaring i GT3/4 med force feedback gjorde meg til en bedre sjåfør når jeg først skulle ta lappen. Jeg kjente uten tvil igjen "følelsen" av å kjøre bil.
 
#49
Også skal det sies at SPILLET>leken>underholdningen! Lærer deg ingen ting av nytte så lenge du ikke tenker på og storme skoler landet over og denge dritten ut av mobbere.

så lett som at det ikke er spillet men menneskene som gjør det burde alle vite.
 

Lodin

Der Waaaah
#51
Bully draws protesters to Rockstar's front doors
Washington, D.C.-based group marches on developer's Manhattan headquarters to protest marketing of violent games to children.

Although the Hot Coffee isn't quite as piping hot as it has been of late, the fallout over the hidden sex mini-games in Rockstar Games' Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is still simmering. Always a lightning rod for controversy, Rockstar might be growing weary of all the free publicity it has been getting, as games it hasn't even released yet are now becoming the target of public outcries.

Yesterday, members of the Washington, D.C.-based youth group Peaceoholics protested outside Rockstar Games' New York offices, carrying signs that read "Put the cuffs on Rockstar, not youth" and "Prosecute Rockstar Games; they are felons" and chanting "Hey hey, ho ho, Rockstar Games has got to go."

Though the Peaceoholics have accused Rockstar of marketing violent games for children in the past, Tuesday's event was specifically directed at convincing the developer to shelve the upcoming Bully, which Rockstar describes as a game where players take the role of a "troublesome schoolboy" who "stands up to bullies, gets picked on by teachers, plays pranks on malicious kids, wins or loses the girl, and ultimately learns to navigate the obstacles of the fictitious reform school."

Although the game is not yet rated (an M for Mature tag seems a certainty) and Rockstar has revealed next to nothing about the actual gameplay, Bully has already made some waves. Given the developer's history with controversial titles and the lasting taboo of violence in a school setting ever since the Columbine High School shootings, it's a safe bet this won't be the last bit of protest directed Rockstar's way over its latest offering.

Attempts to reach Rockstar Games and Peaceoholics for comment Wednesday afternoon were not successful.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/08/03/news_6130289.html

TV spill er alvorlige saker. :mad:

EDIT:
Peaceoholics List of Demands for Rock Star Games
# Not to release Bully under any circumstances
# Volunteer to sell its violent and sexually explicit games in adult video stores only.
# Let parents return Grand Theft Auto for a full refund until they do a national awareness campaign to educate parents of content and possible effects.
# Create a fund for victims of unauthorized use of a motor vehicle and car-jackings, etc.
# Make a national apology for misleading and lying to children, parents, and legislators about their intentions and causing insurance premiums to sky rocket.
# Give a written response within five business days of receipt of these demands.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
 
#52
Voldsspillet «Grand Theft Auto» inneholder flere sex-scener enn den ene som har sjokkert USA.

Skal fjerne scene
Utviklerne av spillet, Rockstar, har lagt seg langflate og arbeider nå med en ny utgave av spillet. Her skal ikke den beryktede Hot Coffee-scenen lenger vil være tilgjengelig.

Scenen kunne en ikke se med mindre en hadde hemmelige koder eller modifiserte spillet med verktøy laget av personer på Internett. Den kunne således kun sees for de som aktivt gikk inn for å se den.

Åpent for alle
TV 2 Nettavisen kan i dag avsløre at denne sex-scenen på ingen måte er den eneste i spillet. En oralsex-scene er inkludert svært tidlig i spillet. Scenen er ikke fullt så grov som den første, men kombinerer oralsex og vold. Denne scenen er derimot ikke skjult slik den første kjente scenen var, men er inkludert i en mellomsekvens i spillet som alle kan se.

Scenen viser at hovedpersonen kommer inn i et narkohus til en rivaliserende gjeng for å drepe dem. Huset er fylt av neddopede gjengmedlemmer og svært lettkledde prostituerte.

Fredagsmoro: Nettspill - helt fri for sex.

Fokusert på sex
Mens hovedpersonens kamerat er på vei for å drepe et neddopet gjengmedlem som ligger på gulvet, kan en tydelig se en prostituert som utfører oralsex på et annet gjengmedlem i en sofa på bakrommet. Hovedpersonen er helt tydelig fokusert på det som skjer i bakgrunnen mens kameraten dreper mannen på gulvet med et balltre.

Paret på bakrommet blir avbrutt av drapet, og rommet blir så stormet av flere gjengmedlemmer. Det hele avslutter med at du som spiller må drepe disse personene eller bli drept selv.

Ikke en glipp
Scenen viser klart at utviklerne av spillet på ingen måte slapp gjennom den første sex-scenen som ble avslørt ved et uhell. Elementet med sex ser derimot ut til å være det elementet de følte for å fokusere mer på etter at den brutale volden ikke lenger sjokkerer så mange.

«Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas» ble i Australia forbudt etter avsløringene om den første sex-scenen i spillet. I USA har spillet fått økt aldersgrense til «Kun for voksne» etter avsløringene, men utviklerne er lovet lavere aldersgrense hvis de slipper en ny utgave av spillet uten den første sex-scenen.

I Norge har spillet 18 års aldersgrense, og det har ikke så langt vært noen planer om å forby det her.
 
#53
Fant dette på ett annet forum. Ganske utrolig hva Jack Thompson kaller oss gamere:

Hi, My name is Jeff and I am a 18 year old gamer. I am just wondering
why would you just put yourself through all this when there isn't
really an issue at all. I do read the news often and I also do other
things than just play games. On your site, it says that quote: "Video
games are literally "murder simulators" teaching our kids how to
kill." I find this statement very incorrect. First case, Not all video
games teach other people to murder each other and cause violent acts.
If you look at the Nintendo Gamecube, 98% of those games are all age
friendly. Second, If you don't want the kids to buy the games then
tell the parents about it. The parents should be responsible for every
game their children buy. The ESRB was created for this reason. Back in
the 80's, video games did not have an association in which it rates
and informs parents on what games to buy. The ESRB has a content
rating on the front and the back of the video game box. It also
clearly states what the game contains and what it will show.

The current issue with the "Hot Coffee" scandal I can understand and
Rockstar should of looked into it further but I have played Grand
Theft Auto and I have no urges to go out and kill people or train to
because I have a sensible mind to not do so. I have a younger brother
who is 13 who also has the sense to think that video games are video
games and not real. Video games is a proper form of entertainment. I
have not seen you put a pull on movies or television yet. All of these
forms of entertainment has a content label on it. We all know that
minors are not allowed to watch R-rated movies because it is too
violent or vulgar and their parents wouldn't allow it. The same goes
with a video game. A minor cannot buy a M rated game from any store
including Gamestop and Eb Games. I went into a Gamestop two years ago
and I couldn't buy an M Rated game because they knew I was not old
enough. The only problem is that you state that they can go to
Blockbuster and rent a game that is M-Rated. Once again that is not
true because Blockbuster has the box of the game itself to display it
and also Blockbuster wouldn't allow a minor to get their hands on it
anyways.

May I ask have you ever stopped and look closely at the video game
itself? You see Grand Theft Auto and the M-Rating but everyone goes up
into a fit when they see it is too violent for kids to play. If it is
too violent and it offends people, then don't buy it. The game doesn't
hurt anyone when you don't buy it. Most games on the market aren't
even M-rated. Most are T rated and E rated. If a minor does get a hand
on a game like Grand Theft Auto then you must ask why the parents
allowed it? It is because they do not pay attention to what their
children buy and ultimately there is a problem. The parents must
reinforce what is right and what is wrong. They must look at the title
and the ESRB rating on it. If they don't then the parents are the one
that is damaging the youth not the games.

Jack Thompson sitt svar på denne mailen:

Allow me to make this very clear to all in the so-called "gaming community"
who continue to email me for the purpose not of sharing information or
engaging in civil conversation but for the sole purpose of harassing me,
with garbage like the below email:

In Florida we have a cyber-stalking law. There are federal statutes as well
that prohibit what many of you are doing to me. Some of you have emailed me and threatened to kill me. How interesting that you claim that I have
infringed on YOUR First Amendment rights. Your lack of courtesy and your
utter lack of reflection prove my and others' points about the corrosive
effects of the games.

I am warning all of you whom I have not invited to communicate with me after an initial contact by you that I shall consider any further emails from you as violative of my rights and violative of the aforementioned criminal
statutes.

There is nothing more hypocritical than a bunch of gamer thugs who harass me and threaten me all in the name of "freedom of expression."

I have a constitutional right to talk, at the Senator's request, to the staff of Senator Clinton. I did that. I have a right to point out that Electronic Arts is engaged in a knowing conspiracy with the "mod community" (what's next, "a pedophile community"?) to distribute porn to children. Any of you who don't think that is what EA is doing need to get a law degree and practice for 30 years, as I have. Then I'll be interested in your "opinions" about The Sims 2 scandal.

If you videogaming thugs don't like what I do, then get off your rear ends
and talk to the media, talk to your representatives, and write articles for
your Internet game news sites. Don't flood my email inbox with your
petulant tirades which are neither welcome nor productive.

All they do is encourage me in my knowledge that normal people who have a
right to stop predatory video game companies' practices are going to succeed
in protecting children from those practices. Honestly, some of you email me
and threaten me because you say "You want to ban all video games." That is
reflective, by and large, of the perspicacity of the typical threatening
emails I get. Such people don't want facts. They want an argument. They
want to treat me as if I were some punching bag prostitute in GTA. I've had
it with this. I am going to stop it.

We won the "Hot Coffee mod" battle, and we shall win other battles. If any
of you clowns are still dumb enough to threaten me and harass me after
receiving this email, then contact your lawyers. You're going to need them.

Så alle gamere er "thugs"? :doh:
 
#54
Er det bare meg, eller svarer han helt likt på denne mailen. Også. :ehm...:


Thompson skyter seg selv i foten med å komme med "argumenter". Ikke bare fornærmer han oss, han truer oss.

Fy faen. For en oppblåst, blærerete, stor, kjempekødd Thompson er. :tommelopp:
 

Lodin

Der Waaaah
#55
Han har ifølge IGN anmeldt flere e-poster for dødstrussler. Bare så synd at når de tok kontakt med myndighetene var det ingen der som hadde hørt noe om disse anmeldelsene.

EDIT:
 
#57
Beklager hvis dette har blitt postet i et annet emne her på forumet, men spillradiokanalen Chatterbox intervjuet Jack Thompson for litt siden. Intervjuet varer i hele 82 minutter, og det kan lastes ned her (14mb). I dette intervjuet presterer Jack blant annet å si at EA er i samarbeid med pornoindustrien (angående Sims 2). :D Absolutt noe man bør få med seg.
 
#60
Synes mange amerikanere er så rare. Dem kan saksøke folk får det minste.
Og nesten alle har en advokat.
Jeg er glad jeg bor i Norge jeg.